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« on: May 23, 2010, 07:56:35 AM »


I'm reading an anthology of spoken verse by Dylan Thomas. There's some great stuff in there, but one that particularly caught my eye was this poem by W.H.Auden. I've seen a lot of people on Mary recently who have attempted to write along similar themes, but this left me shaken at its very power. Hope you enjoy it too...

September 1, 1939

I sit in one of the dives
On Fifty-second Street
Uncertain and afraid
As the clever hopes expire
Of a low dishonest decade:
Waves of anger and fear
Circulate over the bright
And darkened lands of the earth,
Obsessing our private lives;
The unmentionable odour of death
Offends the September night.

Accurate scholarship can
Unearth the whole offence
From Luther until now
That has driven a culture mad,
Find what occurred at Linz,
What huge imago made
A psychopathic god:
I and the public know
What all schoolchildren learn,
Those to whom evil is done
Do evil in return.

Exiled Thucydides knew
All that a speech can say
About Democracy,
And what dictators do,
The elderly rubbish they talk
To an apathetic grave;
Analysed all in his book,
The enlightenment driven away,
The habit-forming pain,
Mismanagement and grief:
We must suffer them all again.

Into this neutral air
Where blind skyscrapers use
Their full height to proclaim
The strength of Collective Man,
Each language pours its vain
Competitive excuse:
But who can live for long
In an euphoric dream;
Out of the mirror they stare,
Imperialism's face
And the international wrong.

Faces along the bar
Cling to their average day:
The lights must never go out,
The music must always play,
All the conventions conspire
To make this fort assume
The furniture of home;
Lest we should see where we are,
Lost in a haunted wood,
Children afraid of the night
Who have never been happy or good.

The windiest militant trash
Important Persons shout
Is not so crude as our wish:
What mad Nijinsky wrote
About Diaghilev
Is true of the normal heart;
For the error bred in the bone
Of each woman and each man
Craves what it cannot have,
Not universal love
But to be loved alone.

From the conservative dark
Into the ethical life
The dense commuters come,
Repeating their morning vow;
'I will be true to the wife,
I'll concentrate more on my work,'
And helpless governors wake
To resume their compulsory game:
Who can release them now,
Who can reach the dead,
Who can speak for the dumb?

All I have is a voice
To undo the folded lie,
The romantic lie in the brain
Of the sensual man-in-the-street
And the lie of Authority
Whose buildings grope the sky:
There is no such thing as the State
And no one exists alone;
Hunger allows no choice
To the citizen or the police;
We must love one another or die.

Defenseless under the night
Our world in stupor lies;
Yet, dotted everywhere,
Ironic points of light
Flash out wherever the Just
Exchange their messages:
May I, composed like them
Of Eros and of dust,
Beleaguered by the same
Negation and despair,
Show an affirming flame.
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« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2010, 08:24:08 AM »


Uploaded a video of Dylan reading the poem. Dylan used to sneer at most of his contemporaries, including Eliot, Yeats and even Auden. It was most probably a façade though, as is evidenced I think by the fact that he read his poem (and many others by poets whom he supposedly disliked): he only read poems he liked a lot.

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« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2010, 08:39:16 AM »


Some of the poems in the anthology are definitely not to my taste, but you can see that from oratory perspective they would work well (even if not on paper).  The introduction gabbles on about how Thomas, unsuccessfully, tried to start up a poetry periodical of Welsh poets. Apparently, only two poets replied to his initial submission request!


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« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2010, 08:42:44 AM »


He leaves a stanza out in the reading, oh well.

Yes, I read about that in his biography...used it as an excuse to go travelling around Wales to meet some of his older, Anglo-Welsh 'idols', and to get merrily drunk! Thomas always used to make plans, but most were scrapped or intruded upon. The one which makes me feel dejected is the last major project he was going to work upon: an opera with Stravinsky! Stravinsky, upon hearing the news of his death, started crying.

Also, might I add, that Stravinsky, from my perspective, is the luckiest bastard to have ever existed: he met and was friends with both Dylan and Satie!

(And the intro is read by that drab turd, Billy Collins...)
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« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2010, 11:48:25 AM »


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What all schoolchildren learn,
Those to whom evil is done
Do evil in return.

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« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2010, 12:16:00 PM »

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« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2010, 12:19:41 PM »


It is very nice to have you back.
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« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2010, 12:23:53 PM »


Dylan is the epitome of bombast, the hwyl I think they call it in Welsh - and yeah, you're pretty much spot on, most poems are hilariously over-done, this one wasn't one of the most bombastic. This one below is though:



Still, the lovely dead drunk does warm my heart everytime I listen to Fern Hill, but you don't like that poem do you?

Auden's face, as it gets older, looks more and more like a shrivelled mushroom; talk about wrinkles. Poetry-wise, I can't say I've read too much of him, but I mostly liked what I read, excluding that oft-quoted piece he has about the say this city has ten million souls etc. etc. that's the kind of poetry which allows much worse socially 'aware' poetry to be written, just because a poem was written on the subject by a very famous, and excellent poet, who happened to miscue once in a while.
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« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2010, 04:02:12 PM »




Not to offend those who hold it dear but goddamn that was some limey sounding shit, sounded like Gandolf rebuking the fire-demon. Ah, that's what Olaf fears! Old men and pomp with voices of thunder and cocks that drop.

Hmm, though, never did like Auden. Confirmed here. Or I cannot read?

Now despite my feelings for Poe, which are fiery, I did read he could do some spoken verse like a motherfucker. Too bad we have no recordings.





I don't think being a welshman, Dylan would have been too happy to be tarnished with being a limey, it's a bit like calling an american a canadian. However, you should listen to some Betjeman, it sounds like your grandpa getting a hard on over a train set!
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